A king fern at the Royal Botanic Garden, Sydney, Australia.Marcos Amores
With the world on the threshold of 1.5°C of warming, one pressing question is: how bad can it get? The answer may lie beneath our feet.
Buried underground are rocks, many rocks, and they are old. For palaeontologists like us, they are a vast archive of past life on Earth. In particular, they can tell us how life on land fared during times when the climate warmed suddenly. Our new study showed that plants were severely affected and forests took millions of years to recover.
About 252 million years ago more than 80% of marine species became extinct. This is known as the end-Permian mass extinction, arguably the most significant climatic crisis since the earliest appearance of animals, more than 555 million years ago. It seems that the prime culprit was the massive amount of warming-inducing greenhouse gas released by volcanoes in a region known as the Siberian Traps in Russia.
Evidence suggests that plants may not have suffered a mass extinction, but their communities were heavily affected, if not destroyed outright. While the extreme heat would have pushed plants and animals past their tolerance limits, they probably also faced deadly droughts, ozone depletion, widespread wildfires and toxic heavy metal contamination.
Data on how plants fared following the end-Permian extinction are plentiful, but little is known about those located at higher latitudes, where it was cooler. Thriving ecosystems existed at polar latitudes back then, aided by a mostly ice-free polar region. At the end-Permian event, however, this ecosystem was entirely wiped out.
Our work examined the rocks and fossils of the Sydney region of Australia, which was located near the south pole for at least 8 million years following the worst mass extinction in Earth’s history. These well-preserved, long-term records provide a window into the recovery of plant communities furthest away from the source of trouble.
The long, unsteady path to recovery
The plant fossils from these Australian rocks showed that conifers, like modern pines or cypresses, were some of the earliest to colonise the land immediately following the calamity. The recovery to flourishing forests, however, was not smooth sailing.
We discovered that even higher temperatures 2 million years after the end-Permian event caused the collapse of these conifer survivors. In turn, they were replaced by tough, shrubby plants resembling modern clubmosses (like Isoetes). How hot it got in Sydney is not known, but this scorching period lasted for about 700,000 years and made life challenging for trees and other large plants.
When cooling conditions finally manifested, large but unusual plants that looked like ferns but bore seeds like conifers flourished and established more stable forests in Sydney. This recovery took less than 100,000 years to happen. These plants eventually dominated the landscape for millions of years, paving the way for the lush forests during the Mesozoic age of the dinosaurs.
So, after million of years, the forest ecosystems of the Mesozoic came to look like those from before the end-Permian event. But crucially, the plant species that made up the new forests were completely different.
The term “recovery” can be misleading. Forests recover eventually, but extinction of individual species is forever.
By understanding how ancient plant ecosystems weathered extreme climate swings, we, as researchers, hope to learn valuable lessons about how modern plants and ecosystems might cope (or not) with today’s climate crisis. With this knowledge, we can inform policymakers of what is yet to come, and help steer a course that will avoid the worst climate outcomes over the longest possible timeframes.
So, fossil records add a data-driven long-term perspective to the climate choices we make today. Ecosystems depend on a fragile balance, with plants as the backbone of food webs on land and climate regulators.
The fossils have spoken: the disruption of these systems can have consequences that last hundreds of thousands of years, so protecting today’s ecosystems is more important than ever.
Marcos Amores receives funding from Research Ireland Centre for Applied Geosciences (grants 13/RC/2092_P2 and 17/RC-PhD/3481) and Research Ireland (grant 22/FFP-P/11448).
Chris Mays receives funding from the Irish Centre for Research in Applied Geosciences (grant #13/RC/2092_P2) and Science Foundation Ireland (grant #22/FFP-P/11448).
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</blockquote><script async="" defer="" src="//platform.instagram.com/en_US/embeds.js"></script><p>Nicknamed "Sin City" and "Paris of the North" during the early 20th century, many Americans flocked to Montreal to get their kicks — especially during prohibition. Since then, Montreal has been consistently highlighted for having a vibrant nightlife scene. </p><p>But many locals don't see it that way, arguing that the glory days of the Montreal party scene are long gone.</p><p>"It was in the late 70s up till the 90s," one user wrote in response to someone calling Montreal's vibrant nightlife scene a false stereotype. </p><p>"It's overpriced!" another chimed in.</p><p>According to the <a href="https://www.mtlblog.com/canada-top-party-cities-beat-montreal" target="_self">third annual edition of Uber Canada's Nightlife Index</a>, released in October of 2024, Montreal doesn't even crack the top 10 party cities in Canada for 2024. Ouch.</p><h3>Schwartz's has the best smoked meat</h3><br/><blockquote class="instagram-media" data-instgrm-permalink="https://www.instagram.com/p/DFQaojFxCZ1/" data-instgrm-version="4" style="background:#FFF; border:0; border-radius:3px; box-shadow:0 0 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.5),0 1px 10px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.15); margin: 1px; max-width:658px; padding:0; width:99.375%; width:-webkit-calc(100% - 2px); width:calc(100% - 2px);">
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</blockquote><script async="" defer="" src="//platform.instagram.com/en_US/embeds.js"></script><p>Montrealers take their smoked meat seriously, and when it comes to attracting tourists, <a href="https://www.mtlblog.com/oldest-montreal-restaurants-still-open" target="_blank">Schwartz's Deli</a> reigns supreme with its iconic sandwiches and never-ending lineups.</p><p>However, not everyone agrees that Schwartz's product is miles ahead of the competition, with one comment claiming its legendary status is more hype than substance.</p><p>Before folks could chew on that, though, the debate took a turn, and the conversation transitioned into another classic Montreal rivalry: Fairmount vs. St-Viateur bagels.</p><h3>People live in the underground city</h3><br/><blockquote class="instagram-media" data-instgrm-permalink="https://www.instagram.com/p/C7PCCZytvoQ/" data-instgrm-version="4" style="background:#FFF; border:0; border-radius:3px; box-shadow:0 0 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.5),0 1px 10px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.15); margin: 1px; max-width:658px; padding:0; width:99.375%; width:-webkit-calc(100% - 2px); width:calc(100% - 2px);">
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</blockquote><script async="" defer="" src="//platform.instagram.com/en_US/embeds.js"></script><p>This one came up a lot when we asked locals about the city's <a href="https://www.mtlblog.com/montreal-tourist-traps" target="_self">biggest tourist traps</a>.</p><p>Apparently, some tourists arrive here believing that Montrealers live in underground city tunnels during the cold winter months. In reality, it's more of a giant shopping mall connected through Metro stations. </p><p>"The tourism industry here has given our 'underground city' an almost mythical status that I find laughable - and somewhat dishonest," one local explained. "I think it would be much more accurate to refer to it as the underground/indoor PART of our city, but that has a far less glamorous/romantic/exciting ring to it."</p><p>"I'm not sure what PR firm got the job to promote the 'underground city' to tourists, but they oversold it," another noted. </p><p>For anyone who's still confused, yes, we do see the light of day — even when it's freezing outside.</p><h3>Montrealers only speak French</h3><br/><blockquote class="instagram-media" data-instgrm-permalink="https://www.instagram.com/p/C-s7I-btF4z/?img_index=1" data-instgrm-version="4" style="background:#FFF; border:0; border-radius:3px; box-shadow:0 0 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.5),0 1px 10px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.15); margin: 1px; max-width:658px; padding:0; width:99.375%; width:-webkit-calc(100% - 2px); width:calc(100% - 2px);">
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</blockquote><script async="" defer="" src="//platform.instagram.com/en_US/embeds.js"></script><p>The confusion around this one is understandable.</p><p>Montreal sits in a unique position as a predominantly French-speaking city within a francophone province that enforces strict language laws, yet it exists in an otherwise anglophone country.</p><p>Nevertheless, despite what the street signs say, both languages (along with plenty others) are widely spoken throughout the island. </p><p>"It's actually very bilingual and most people are bilingual," someone wrote.</p><p>"I have lived here nearly all my life and only speak English," another Montrealer shared. "No problems."</p><h3>A lot of people smoke</h3><br/><blockquote class="instagram-media" data-instgrm-permalink="https://www.instagram.com/p/DDDS5VlPnis/" data-instgrm-version="4" style="background:#FFF; border:0; border-radius:3px; box-shadow:0 0 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.5),0 1px 10px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.15); margin: 1px; max-width:658px; padding:0; width:99.375%; width:-webkit-calc(100% - 2px); width:calc(100% - 2px);">
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</blockquote><script async="" defer="" src="//platform.instagram.com/en_US/embeds.js"></script><p>Perhaps it's due to the city's French influence or abundance of terrasses (which you cannot actually smoke on), but many people seem to carry the notion that the bulk of Montrealers smoke cigarettes.</p><p>In reality, Quebec doesn't even crack the top three for provinces with the highest smoking rates.</p><p>As per a 2022 <a href="https://www.statista.com/statistics/1328436/current-smokers-canadians-by-province/#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20the%20provinces%20with,Canada%20was%20around%2011%20percent." rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">report from Statista</a>, the provinces with the highest share of the population that were current smokers were New Brunswick, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan.</p><h3>Montreal rent is cheap</h3><br/><blockquote class="instagram-media" data-instgrm-permalink="https://www.instagram.com/p/DE5y__oTg6m/" data-instgrm-version="4" style="background:#FFF; border:0; border-radius:3px; box-shadow:0 0 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.5),0 1px 10px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.15); margin: 1px; max-width:658px; padding:0; width:99.375%; width:-webkit-calc(100% - 2px); width:calc(100% - 2px);">
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</blockquote><script async="" defer="" src="//platform.instagram.com/en_US/embeds.js"></script><p>Montreal has long been considered a city where starving artists and students on a budget could thrive, but that's not really the case anymore.</p><p>While it's still way cheaper than Toronto or Vancouver, as many commenters pointed out, the city's reputation for affordable rent is now just a false stereotype.</p><p>According to <a href="https://www.zumperrentals.com/blog/rental-price-data-canada/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zumper's January 2025 Canadian Rent Report</a>, Montreal is the 11th most expensive Canadian city in whichto rent an apartment, with the average one-bedroom unit going for $1,750.</p><h3>The construction is temporary</h3><br/><blockquote class="instagram-media" data-instgrm-permalink="https://www.instagram.com/p/DBBexwWsCE4/" data-instgrm-version="4" style="background:#FFF; border:0; border-radius:3px; box-shadow:0 0 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.5),0 1px 10px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.15); margin: 1px; max-width:658px; padding:0; width:99.375%; width:-webkit-calc(100% - 2px); width:calc(100% - 2px);">
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</blockquote><script async="" defer="" src="//platform.instagram.com/en_US/embeds.js"></script><p>The constant construction in this city has become a long-running joke among locals. And anyone that calls Montreal home can confirm that it's probably not stopping anytime soon. </p><p>If your first visit to Montreal includes plenty of "Rue Barrée" signs and orange cones, just consider it part of the scenery. </p>
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